It's perfectly legal in most of the country, so there's no open carry protesting going on.
Dark Green: Permissive Open Carry (26 states).
Light Green: Permissive Open Carry with Local Restrictions (6 states).
Yellow: Licensed Open Carry (13 states).
Orange: Anomalous (1 state).
Red: Non-permissive (4 states and DC).
Getting California out of the way: It's kinda permissive in rural areas, but not really but... It depends on the attitude of the local chief LEO. California had a spate of open carry protesting and the virtual elimination of open carry any place where you could see another person. But the protests there were in response to legislation moving to eliminate open carry, not the cause of the laws. Cart goes behind the horse; double check.
Texas got two open carry expansions since the "idiots at Chipolte" were carrying rifles. First was licensed open carry the second is to allow open carry without the license in the period immediately following a natural disaster. There have been no changes to the unlicensed open carry of long arms except for the addition of the 30.07 signage for a business whom wishes to ban open carry on the premises. Anyone got a picture of a 30.07 sign without a 30.06 sign (which bans concealed guns)?
We've got Florida and Florida Carry's armed fishing events pissing off people in the blue corner of the state. This one actually has a nominally Republican mayor asking an anti-gun Democrat state senator to expand the gun-free school zone law to ban open carry while hunting, fishing or camping if they are within the arbitrarily defined distance from schools and the like. This only affects open carry and despite the doom and gloom isn't being widely reported outside of gun blogs who hate the idea of anyone doing something they wouldn't do themselves. Moms Demand Action was invited to the pre-season committee meetings, the pro gun side was not.
And...
Minnesota and Target? A corporation that supports Democrat candidates (and both parties generically) with a liberal interim CEO caving into the demands of the Bloomberg funded and supported Minnesota chapter of Moms Demand Action. No laws changed. By the way, the protests started because Minnesota Moms Demand Action was demanding Target ban open carry (and conceal carry because idiot conceal carriers leave guns in the shitter).
Aside: isn't it interesting that nobody pro-gun demands that conceal carry be banned because of stupidity; but jump right in on open carry for a much smaller level of stupid?
Anywhere else? Pittsburg? Moms Demand Action demanding assault weapon ban from the city because a criminal shot up a Synagogue. Pittsburg had been trying to ban them unsuccessfully for decades, and despite the state preemption on such local laws the ordinance passed (which it was on the fast track to do before the protesters open carried). Another lawsuit to get the preemption enforced has been filed.
In California and Pennsylvania the open carry protests were something of a hail Mary. They didn't help, but they also didn't actually hurt because the laws were going to be passed even if they stood there in fine tailored suits and harrumphed audibly.
Texas may actually have worked on the "make it legal for us to carry pistols and this stupid shit will stop" level, but since it's not mentioned in the debates I think they were simply ignored by the pro-carry side and the laws were passed on their own merit.
Florida... well we're among such shining bastions of freedom, liberty and gun rights as Illinois, New York and The District of Columbia with regards to open carry. How do you get your voice heard over the flutter of millions of dollars of Bloomberg and Soros money?
Happily there's just no groundswell to widely punish gun owners because of people LEGALLY open carrying. In fact the trend, nationally, is in the other direction. The overall response has been a massive yawn.
Where there is a negative response, it's from people who've made it their life's work to get all guns completely banned and from "pro-gun" bloggers and publications who object to the practice.
The real effect of the "pro-gun" objection is to give the dedicated anti-gunner's a hook to present to lawmakers. "Even the pro-gun people don't like this!" while they selectively cite a small list of blogs, "See? This one wants machine guns made legal, but even they want open carry banned!"
No, I am not happy about it. Beans referring to these bloggers as "Quislings" is kind of true.
"Anyone got a picture of a 30.07 sign without a 30.06 sign (which bans concealed guns)?"
ReplyDeleteNot just at the moment, but I do see a fair number of those around. If I remember correctly, the HEB grocery stores post 30.07 but say nothing about 30.06.
When I'm out and about over the weekend, I'll try to get some photos of 30.07 without 30.06 signs for you.
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Cool! Thanks! It's been trivial to find them both together from internet sources.
DeleteYes. Open Carry has been in effect in so many states and it has yet to be an issue, except when some PSH writer freaks out because us normals are getting to do something that their $10-20K worth of classes doesn't cover. Woooo.
ReplyDeleteQuislings I named them, Quislings they are. All the rights for them, not for us. Jerks.
Thanks for the chart above. Great to know that so many states are better than the dem-controlled South Florida allows the rest of us to do.
And that damned traitor Scott! At least Petain was trying to minimize the damage of the Nazis when he collaborated. The only thing Scott proved by tossing us under the buss was to make himself look more democratic for Nelson's democratic voters. Truly a Quisling, maybe a Double Quisling, Triple Quisling for not smacking down the elections officials and the sheriff of Broward County when he had a chance. Feckless Quadruple Quisling, that Vidkun Scott!
I'm in Houston and I see the 30.07 and not 30.06 all the time. Initially, there was a lot of "well, if I'm putting up .07, I might as well put up the .06 sign they gave me for free" (and they were giving them away with purchase of the 07). I saw this as a loss for freedom, when places that weren't and wouldn't have posted 30.06 did so because of the open carry hysteria. Things have sort of calmed down now. I still see non-compliant signage, and rightly ignore it. Sometimes I think they put it up knowing it wasn't compliant (as a weasel way to appease one side, without totally alienating the other) and sometimes I just think they are too ignorant and lazy to follow the law.
ReplyDeleteThere are very few places I need to go that post 30.06, and I usually ignore it in that case. If my presence is discretionary, I usually just avoid those places. We do have the right to carry concealed on any .gov (ie. owned by the people) land, whether leased by some non-gov or not. Some of them will put up signs that don't meet the law, but intend to intimidate and dissuade. Sometimes I might bring it to their attention, but usually I just ignore it (Houston Zoo, I'm looking at you.)
The most puzzling are the people like a particular gun store in Stafford, that is clearly and legally posted 30.07. Seriously? Most stores just put up signs telling you to leave it holstered or cased, or come in and get a staff member if you don't want to get shot walking in with a gun in your hand...
I open carried in AZ back in the day, when that was the only choice, and it attracted too much unwanted attention in most places. Having a 'gun check' in the grocery store like a restaurant would have a 'coat check' or 'hat check' was one of the more 'western' things about Scottsdale... seeing old guys with literal six guns in leather walking around was cool.
I have one acquaintance now in Houston that routinely open carries. Most people don't even notice. If they do, they certainly don't say anything about it. Hell, I didn't notice for an hour the first time I met him at a restaurant for lunch.
What I absolutely don't want is what Florida has with the inadvertent exposure counting as open carry or brandishing. If I visit Fla, I usually leave the gun locked in the hotel if I think that I might do something that could lead to an exposure. To much risk while I'm on vacation.
Anyway, lots of 30.07s alone, but I don't have any pictures I can share, just anecdotes.
nick
Your map is all wrong bud. That's the Handgun open Carry map. It's different for Rifles.
ReplyDeleteLink me to the rifle map and I will put in an edit.
DeleteHandgun carry is my goal, and I've been trying to point out that rifle carry isn't hurting our chances as much as the Sonderkondemmers think it is.