First I'm a fat old man so belts are painful. If I'm going out I wear a 1911 in an IWB or OWB with a pair of mags on the other side.
But if I'm relaxing and don't have a belt I carry in a shoulder rig. 1911 with two spare mags. Low profile and I might only have one spare mag in a pocket.
But my issue for a shoulder rig is that my weapon starts pointing behind me and has to be rotated to the front. At a range I'm always concerned I'll muzzle somebody.
That's the real issue for me. Not that I can actually wear appendix.
The traditional method of draw with a horizontal or angled shoulder rig is to pull the cover garment with the off hand while lifting that arm at least to shoulder height, and then muzzling literally half the neighborhood while swinging the gun around to the intended target as fast as possible, and then trying to stop the swing without passing that target.
A better, quicker, less obvious, safer draw is to make that half circle vertical, parallel to your side. Move your off hand/arm a little bit away from your body, so it allows your cover garment to hang loosely. Pull the gun out of the holster and make the muzzle follow a line just outboard of your torso and leg as you swing it toward the ground and onward toward the target. Do not begin to rotate your wrist/gun until the muzzle has reached alignment with the target's feet, or about 45 degrees, halfway to horizontal. Try to keep the muzzle in line with the target as you rotate and finish lifting to get your off hand on the gun. If you rotate too soon, there is a tendency to allow the muzzle to wander off line, as your gun arm isn't yet aligned with the target, but is still angled from the reach across body. If time is pressing, you can begin to fire while the gun is still upside down and pointed at his legs, while you work on getting it raised and rotated to get your off hand on the gun.
The important thing is to not track across any part of your body during presentation. One of the potential advantages is that it tends to not be obvious that you are drawing, since you should not need to make big, awkward looking movements. Avoid using jackets that have an internal pocket on the gun side, as they tend to get in the way.
Thank you! I have asked about aiwb and the 4 rules of firearms safety from some pretty well known gun trainers, and have been ridiculed, told I did not know what I did not know and such. The one thing I do know is that the only way I would ever carry when is with a traditional da/as pistol, with a hammer drop safety, which I would keep on safe. I know many carry a Glock or similar type pistol, with complete confidnce. I just can't get over the many years of hunting and long gun use, before transitioning to handguns. I don't think I am wrong, just that I use what is best for me I also do not condemn those who go the as if method. They train to that method, and it works for them But to ridicule those with a different opinion is why so many new gun owners get discouraged.I tlk78@yahoo.com
Agreed about not ridiculing differing opinions... I tend not to discourage anyone who isn't completely stupid safety wise. FWIW, I have been mostly carrying a Glock style (Polymer 80) lately. My other carry options the past few years have included things like vintage top break revolvers, Kel-Tec P32 or P80 or even an NAA Mini-Revolver. None of those have a "safety" either. Too many overly judgemental people in the firearms community sometimes.
I think the objection to shoulder holsters, especially horizontal ones is that the gun's muzzle points straight back instead of towards the ground. On a personal note, when I started carrying my wife insisted that I never carry with a muzzle near my wedding tackle so I always carry strong side hip so I can only muzzle my butt cheek. I also use the safety when holstering.
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First I'm a fat old man so belts are painful. If I'm going out I wear a 1911 in an IWB or OWB with a pair of mags on the other side.
ReplyDeleteBut if I'm relaxing and don't have a belt I carry in a shoulder rig. 1911 with two spare mags. Low profile and I might only have one spare mag in a pocket.
But my issue for a shoulder rig is that my weapon starts pointing behind me and has to be rotated to the front. At a range I'm always concerned I'll muzzle somebody.
That's the real issue for me. Not that I can actually wear appendix.
The traditional method of draw with a horizontal or angled shoulder rig is to pull the cover garment with the off hand while lifting that arm at least to shoulder height, and then muzzling literally half the neighborhood while swinging the gun around to the intended target as fast as possible, and then trying to stop the swing without passing that target.
DeleteA better, quicker, less obvious, safer draw is to make that half circle vertical, parallel to your side.
Move your off hand/arm a little bit away from your body, so it allows your cover garment to hang loosely.
Pull the gun out of the holster and make the muzzle follow a line just outboard of your torso and leg as you swing it toward the ground and onward toward the target.
Do not begin to rotate your wrist/gun until the muzzle has reached alignment with the target's feet, or about 45 degrees, halfway to horizontal. Try to keep the muzzle in line with the target as you rotate and finish lifting to get your off hand on the gun. If you rotate too soon, there is a tendency to allow the muzzle to wander off line, as your gun arm isn't yet aligned with the target, but is still angled from the reach across body. If time is pressing, you can begin to fire while the gun is still upside down and pointed at his legs, while you work on getting it raised and rotated to get your off hand on the gun.
The important thing is to not track across any part of your body during presentation. One of the potential advantages is that it tends to not be obvious that you are drawing, since you should not need to make big, awkward looking movements. Avoid using jackets that have an internal pocket on the gun side, as they tend to get in the way.
Thank you! I have asked about aiwb and the 4 rules of firearms safety from some pretty well known gun trainers, and have been ridiculed, told I did not know what I did not know and such.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing I do know is that the only way I would ever carry when is with a traditional da/as pistol, with a hammer drop safety, which I would keep on safe.
I know many carry a Glock or similar type pistol, with complete confidnce. I just can't get over the many years of hunting and long gun use, before transitioning to handguns. I don't think I am wrong, just that I use what is best for me I also do not condemn those who go the as if method. They train to that method, and it works for them But to ridicule those with a different opinion is why so many new gun owners get discouraged.I
tlk78@yahoo.com
Agreed about not ridiculing differing opinions... I tend not to discourage anyone who isn't completely stupid safety wise. FWIW, I have been mostly carrying a Glock style (Polymer 80) lately. My other carry options the past few years have included things like vintage top break revolvers, Kel-Tec P32 or P80 or even an NAA Mini-Revolver. None of those have a "safety" either. Too many overly judgemental people in the firearms community sometimes.
DeleteI think the objection to shoulder holsters, especially horizontal ones is that the gun's muzzle points straight back instead of towards the ground.
ReplyDeleteOn a personal note, when I started carrying my wife insisted that I never carry with a muzzle near my wedding tackle so I always carry strong side hip so I can only muzzle my butt cheek. I also use the safety when holstering.
I am old enough to remember when stuffing a pistol down the front of your pants was called mexican carry.
ReplyDeleteIt is still called that around here... Although it is pronounced more like mez-kin carrie...
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