During the early medieval warming period, Greenland was mostly free of ice. Yet if Greenland today had all of its glaciers melt, we'd be under 20 feet of water or something.
Yeah. Sure. Okay.
When the world was about 5 degrees warmer it ushered in the great Viking raids because so much frozen land up north in Scandinavia was now so damned productive that the population exploded.
What's really wacky is back in the 1890's the cash crop on the Florida East Coast was... pineapples. Until it got too cold, then they did the whole orange grove thing, from below Miami to the Florida/Georgia border. Then all the groves north of Orlando froze in 74-76.
Pineapples. Florida was once warm yearlong to have pineapples growing just south of Jacksonville. One of the reasons for funding the Flagler Railroad. Pineapples. Then Citrus was King north of the Everglades.
At one time, the best groves were in Brevard County. The Indian River Groves were world famous. Now most of them are gone due to cold weather.
Sugarcane is still King south of the Everglades. Big Sugar even has its own railroad. Until it gets too cold again...
This brings up another point... What is the "right" temperature? If you were a pineapple grower in Florida, you might welcome a few degrees on average increase. If you want to grow oranges north of Orlando maybe so too. Or if you would like to grow grapes in Greenland. The earth was a lot warmer a few tens of millions of years ago. Way before humans as we know ourselves existed. Carbon dioxide is what plants crave. What is the right atmospheric level of CO2? Who says? What is good for one group may not be good for others.
According to the climate dictators "ideal global temperature" is the latter part of the European "Little Ice Age" they use as their global baseline. This is a thumb on the scale the size of Greenland since they claim a regional anomaly as holy writ to justify making them rulers of any polity corrupt enough to heed them
Yep. As John Ringo lays out in his book "The Last Centurion" (which is an excellent read on what a real plague can do to modern society and how modern society will respond,) oh, darned, it got colder in the North. Suddenly the weather patterns shift and all that unused desert land becomes wet usable land again. Like when the Pueblo and Anasazi tribes had huge agricultural concerns in said desert before the desert deserted.
Oh, it's not like it was in the 1950's. So? In the 1870's there was a killer bizzard in July that hit most of the West and Mid-West. As in way below freezing weather, piles of snow, dead people and animals everywhere (which hit the wandering Indian tribes especially hard, because a tipi is a shitty way to spend a month in frozen hell. Which in normal times, like in fall, they'd head south, while in spring they'd head north. But caught in the middle of a sudden arctic blast, that's a killing storm...) Funny, in a recreation of the pioneer times, there was a reality show dealing with three families and them moving into three different sites based on pioneering around the 1870s. One site totally unworked, one site partially cleared, one site totally set up but abandoned. And... they got hit by a summer blizzard that dropped feet of snow and killed all their crops. Bwahahahahaha...)
Climate changes. It's the way climate works. And there are two things that drive climate more than any other things combined. The Sun is one, tied in with sun spot activity and coronal mass ejections and other radiative flare events. The other? Earth itself, due to geological activity, like volcanoes, quakes and other things that release gasses and dust and heat and other things like flying monkeys and Cthulhu himself rising from sunken Ryley. Yeah, it's not nice when we pollute, but, really, in comparison to a single good volcano blast, a normal volcano eruption like in Hawaii (not Mt. St. Helens, which was a real doozy, or Krakatoa or Santarini which were really really big and huge doozies.)
And, in a weird way, our garbage floating in the ocean has provided huge rafts have produced far more positive results, by providing huge environments for small prey animals and plants to live than the negative. Kind of like the shipwrecks and oil platforms do.
So this year we've set a lot of record high temperatures here in Texas. And of course the climate change chicken littles are all freaking out... But here's the thing. Most of the records aren't being beat by more than 1 degree. And quite often, the record being broken was from a long, long time ago -- from before massive use of fossil fuels that they claim is causing climate change. Today we broke the record by 1 degree. But the old record was set 100 years ago. Yeah, we were using electricity and cars in 1923, but the population was a lot lower (about 1/3 of current US population) and few people owned cars (about 1/4 the proportion of people) and a lot of houses didn't even have electricity in rural areas. And these temperature records are all very short term. We don't have accurate measured data for much before 100 years ago, and what we have is a lot more sparse since there were fewer measuring stations.
Anyway. bottom line is libtards just aren't good at understanding big pictures of numbers. They don't seem to even understand how large multi-variable systems works or how to model them. But they like to lecture everyone else on "accepting the science". Questioning assumptions and challenging data is part of the scientific method. -swj
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That, and most all of the biggest, loudest shills for it have all bought beachfront property since 2000.
ReplyDeleteSh'yeah, the poles are going to melt and the oceans are going to rise unless you let them ruin our economies and collect more taxes.
As if.
This is naked guys trying to pull rabbits out of a hat.
During the early medieval warming period, Greenland was mostly free of ice. Yet if Greenland today had all of its glaciers melt, we'd be under 20 feet of water or something.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Sure. Okay.
When the world was about 5 degrees warmer it ushered in the great Viking raids because so much frozen land up north in Scandinavia was now so damned productive that the population exploded.
But... yeah, sure, okay.
Libtards never let the facts get in the way of their political agenda.
Delete-swj
Yep, in my AO it is currently 77 degrees, the record high was 99 in 1919.
ReplyDeleteWhat's really wacky is back in the 1890's the cash crop on the Florida East Coast was... pineapples. Until it got too cold, then they did the whole orange grove thing, from below Miami to the Florida/Georgia border. Then all the groves north of Orlando froze in 74-76.
ReplyDeletePineapples. Florida was once warm yearlong to have pineapples growing just south of Jacksonville. One of the reasons for funding the Flagler Railroad. Pineapples. Then Citrus was King north of the Everglades.
At one time, the best groves were in Brevard County. The Indian River Groves were world famous. Now most of them are gone due to cold weather.
Sugarcane is still King south of the Everglades. Big Sugar even has its own railroad. Until it gets too cold again...
This brings up another point... What is the "right" temperature? If you were a pineapple grower in Florida, you might welcome a few degrees on average increase. If you want to grow oranges north of Orlando maybe so too. Or if you would like to grow grapes in Greenland. The earth was a lot warmer a few tens of millions of years ago. Way before humans as we know ourselves existed. Carbon dioxide is what plants crave. What is the right atmospheric level of CO2? Who says? What is good for one group may not be good for others.
DeleteAccording to the climate dictators "ideal global temperature" is the latter part of the European "Little Ice Age" they use as their global baseline. This is a thumb on the scale the size of Greenland since they claim a regional anomaly as holy writ to justify making them rulers of any polity corrupt enough to heed them
DeleteYep. As John Ringo lays out in his book "The Last Centurion" (which is an excellent read on what a real plague can do to modern society and how modern society will respond,) oh, darned, it got colder in the North. Suddenly the weather patterns shift and all that unused desert land becomes wet usable land again. Like when the Pueblo and Anasazi tribes had huge agricultural concerns in said desert before the desert deserted.
DeleteOh, it's not like it was in the 1950's. So? In the 1870's there was a killer bizzard in July that hit most of the West and Mid-West. As in way below freezing weather, piles of snow, dead people and animals everywhere (which hit the wandering Indian tribes especially hard, because a tipi is a shitty way to spend a month in frozen hell. Which in normal times, like in fall, they'd head south, while in spring they'd head north. But caught in the middle of a sudden arctic blast, that's a killing storm...) Funny, in a recreation of the pioneer times, there was a reality show dealing with three families and them moving into three different sites based on pioneering around the 1870s. One site totally unworked, one site partially cleared, one site totally set up but abandoned. And... they got hit by a summer blizzard that dropped feet of snow and killed all their crops. Bwahahahahaha...)
Climate changes. It's the way climate works. And there are two things that drive climate more than any other things combined. The Sun is one, tied in with sun spot activity and coronal mass ejections and other radiative flare events. The other? Earth itself, due to geological activity, like volcanoes, quakes and other things that release gasses and dust and heat and other things like flying monkeys and Cthulhu himself rising from sunken Ryley. Yeah, it's not nice when we pollute, but, really, in comparison to a single good volcano blast, a normal volcano eruption like in Hawaii (not Mt. St. Helens, which was a real doozy, or Krakatoa or Santarini which were really really big and huge doozies.)
And, in a weird way, our garbage floating in the ocean has provided huge rafts have produced far more positive results, by providing huge environments for small prey animals and plants to live than the negative. Kind of like the shipwrecks and oil platforms do.
So this year we've set a lot of record high temperatures here in Texas. And of course the climate change chicken littles are all freaking out... But here's the thing. Most of the records aren't being beat by more than 1 degree. And quite often, the record being broken was from a long, long time ago -- from before massive use of fossil fuels that they claim is causing climate change. Today we broke the record by 1 degree. But the old record was set 100 years ago. Yeah, we were using electricity and cars in 1923, but the population was a lot lower (about 1/3 of current US population) and few people owned cars (about 1/4 the proportion of people) and a lot of houses didn't even have electricity in rural areas. And these temperature records are all very short term. We don't have accurate measured data for much before 100 years ago, and what we have is a lot more sparse since there were fewer measuring stations.
ReplyDeleteAnyway. bottom line is libtards just aren't good at understanding big pictures of numbers. They don't seem to even understand how large multi-variable systems works or how to model them. But they like to lecture everyone else on "accepting the science". Questioning assumptions and challenging data is part of the scientific method.
-swj