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I keep reading about 9mm 1911's.
When I look into it, they're not actually 1911's, they're double stack 9mm that look like a 1911, but have almost nothing in common with one.
That sounds like another gun...
The FN Hi-Power is a double stack 9mm that looks like a 1911!
The more things change, the more they stay the same?
Ye Olde Grande Pussiance ticks a lot of the same boxes as a some of these newer guns do; plus style!
Update:
While I was referring to the current fad of 2011's, Willard is correct that a Star Model B is the true 9mm 1911.
And it's as close to the 1911 mechanically as the current crop of 2011's so it still qualifies by their standards!
A 1911 in 9mm Parabellum? In other words; a Star Model B. Dimentionally identical and visually near identical. In fact the Model B has served as the stunt pistol for the 1911 in countless movies and TV shows.
ReplyDeleteI have two Stars, one in 9x19 and one in 9mm Largo (9x23) which is NOT compatible with a couple of other very dimensionally similar rounds like 9mm Super and 9x23 Winchester. Seriously never try to run 9mm Super in a Star.
DeleteTwo differences between Stars (and Ballester Molina) and 1911s is the Star eliminates the grip safety and the trigger pivots on a pin instead of sliding.
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I assure you that Willard knows the mechanical differences of the Star from Browning. If for no other reason than me detail stripping one in front of him and showing him all the bits and how they interacted. I am pretty sure he knew it in theory before I did that too.
DeleteMy comment wasn't for Willard or you, as I am sure he knows that all already, but for other people reading the thread who might not be familiar with the Stars. The differences hadn't been mentioned yet and people reading might think that Stars were more like the 1911 than they actually are.
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Avid readers already knew because I took pictures of how the Star works.
DeleteI must have missed that. Or my memory is bad, which is probably even more likely.
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Gunsmith here. You most certainly can build, or buy a true 1911 in 9mm. Parts interchangeability on a Star MB is just about nil. The Hi Power's design was begun by John Browning. It's different than a 1911, because he was trying to get around his many patents that he sold to Colt. A properly built/tuned 1911 will give you the best trigger.
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Already aware. But that's not what we're talking about.
DeleteWe're talking about double stack, 9mm, "1911," pistols that are just as related to a real 1911 as a HP or Star.
I think they're calling them 2011's for the most part. They look 1911, but they don't have much in common otherwise.
I forgot my snark tag! That might have assisted you in seeing where I was coming from here.
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