Escape To Kalisz

The Lovely Harvey got me this fun gun case.

While not airline approved, it does lock.

Inside is a weekend fun kit!

I'm very amused!

Damn You McCollum!

Gun Jeebus reminds me that I missed the PMM for my T2K to GURPS conversion.

High Tech had the stats already, but I had forgotten them, and a citation, in my conversion.

Ian's vid gives additional details about the pistol that will be handy for the T2K user too!

Annual ATF

Poland is the theme this year!

Źyweic lager, Tantal, P63 P-64 and cigs!

Blow Back Delete

Marv has been divesting himself of blow-back guns and is focusing on only owning locked-breech pistols.

I'm not complaining because I get a huge bag of 9x18mm Makarov for my P-64 (a blow-back pistol).

I don't have too many guns that work this way in a caliber that matters.

All the .25's except the derringer are blow-back.

The Colt 1908 Pocket Hammerless and ZM Łucznik P-64 are all I have that don't have a locked breech.

Range report for what he's replacing all those Walther clones with is coming.

Say Again Now

I'm interested in T2K era Polish small arms.

My P.64 and Kbk.88 are prime examples.

 I've had, and let slip through my fingers, a Polish Mosin M44.

I'm always half looking for a decent clone of a Polish AKM, Tokarev and...

P.83 "Wanad".

When I first started this Polish thing, P.83 were running about $220.

Then they were about $450.

Now they are about a grand.

$1,000 for a simple blow-back 9x18 pistol.

Even the older P.64 has gone from $200 to almost $500!

I am not accustomed to this at all.  The P.64 is even C&R eligible.

Disaster And A Miracle

ZM Łucznik P-64's have been appearing in the local gun shops lately.

All of them have a smoother safety than mine.

So I set out to find out why.

The safety/decocker has a detent, and that detent isn't playing nice.

So I read up on how to take apart the slide and had no problems doing so.

The disaster happens with a pair of forceps holding the firing pin so I can get the safety in far enough so I can press the detent into its hole.

The forceps slipped and the firing pin and its spring flew up and over my monitor and behind the desk!

"FUCK!" I exclaimed.

Miraculously, I found the firing pin on the floor and the spring under one of the monitors.

"What's wrong with the safety?" you might ask.

The detent spring is way too long and puts too much pressure on the detent which makes it hard to rotate the safety.  I clipped a couple coils and it's much better now.

Honestly, it could use a couple more off, but the disassembly and reassembly are just too fiddly.

What About Mak?

One thing you can say about many 9x18mm Makarov chambered pistols is they're cheap affordable.

On the surface you'd think they'd compare well with The Shield.

GURPS stats:

The Shield gets more shots and does more damage for the same weight.  Plus you get better sights and an easier safety to operate (unless you count the 20 lb. double action trigger on the P-64 as a safety.)

Average of 8 per shot and 64 per load with the Smith, 7 per shot and 49 per load with the Pole.
Changing to hollow points gets the same sort of spread with 10.5 per shot and 84 per load for the Shield and 9 per shot and 63 per load with the Łucznik.

Poland VS Hungary Rematch

Once again, the pistols are more similar than different.

The PA-63 is a near faithful clone of a Walther PP with an alloy frame.  The P-64 is all steel and presages the PPK/S size.

Thanks to Marv for his photogenic PA-63.

Lucky

Watching a couple of videos on the P-64 and I noticed that the import markings on mine...

... an attractive font and go well with the gun.

I could have ended up with...

Which doesn't look good at all.  Common for CAI, unfortunately.

Germany VS Poland

Hans, Polen, Ja?

It would appear that the PPK/S is the template for the P-64...  Except for preceding it by a couple of years.

The Walther certainly has a better trigger pull and the aftermarket stocks fit the hand much better.  But I know from experience that the Walther bites, I dunno if the ZML does.

France vs Poland bonus round!

Manhurin made PP in .380 against the P-64.

There's just not a lot of functional difference between them.

Unrelated to size comparisons, the safety on the P-64 is getting smoother the more I play with it.  Deburring the detent with use, I think,

Manana

Lord willing and the creek don't rise...

Going to have some pics of genuine Walthers to compare with the P-64.

Had to pass on it earlier because of problems with The Boy.

Is The Extra Millimeter Worth It

9x18 Makarov does 2d pi damage vs 2d-1 pi for .380 ACP.

As a practical matter, the differences in range don't come up.  Hardly anyone drops the points into Guns (Pistol) for it to show.

Recoil though, that will have an effect.

As calculated earlier, my Guns/TL8 (Pistol) skill is 15.

At 10 yards, we have a hapless NPC.

15 for skill
-4 for range

Not bothering to take time to aim.

11 or less to hit, just a bit better than a 50-50 (62.50%) shot for a single hit to the body.

Now recoil factors in.

To land the second round with Makarov I'd need to roll an 8 or less and for the third a 5 or less.  That's 25.92% and 4.62% respectively.

With .380 I need a 9 or less then a 7 or less.  37.50% and 16.20%.

So with .380 I'm 50% more likely to get a second hit and a bit more than three times as likely to land three.

Since the average skill roll with 3d6 is going to be a 10, I'm only going to hit with one round anyway on average.

2d pi gives a range of 2-12 points of damage, averaging to 7.
2d-1 pi gives a range of 1-11 points of damage, averaging to 6.

I used to know how to do the math to figure out the damage spread... alas.

Let's change the range to the traditional self-defense distance of 7 yards.  This changes the range penalty to -3 and our odds of hitting a bit from 11 to 12 for that first shot.  9x18 will need a 12, 9, and 6; .380 will need a 12, 10 and 8.

That means, on average, I will hit twice with the shorter round.

That also means that I would do 7 points with the Mak and 12 with the .380.

Poland vs Switzerland

Again, very similar guns in many respects.  The P232 is far more comfortable in the hand and has a much smoother and lighter double-action pull.

Hungary vs Poland

Poland versus Hungary

Zakłady Metalowe Łucznik versus Fegyver- és Gázkészulékgyár

Pistolet wzór 1964 versus SMC-380

Steel frame versus titanium-aluminum

9x18mm Makarov versus 9x17mm Kurz/.380 ACP

Very Walther guns in most ways.

Very similar in stats too.

The P-64 is bigger and more comfortable to hold.  I haven't got to the range to compare them shooting yet.

Getting these pics was harder than expected because I had "help"

As Old As I Am

The Zakłady Metalowe Łucznik Pistolet wzór 1964 arrived today!

Like me, it's a 1968 model.

It's a little bigger than expected, and it fits my mitts awkwardly.

Better pics and more details coming.