23 November 2021

The Elk Can Tell



Technomad is upset at the vast array of cartridges available out there.

He indicates that he nearly bought a box of 9mm Largo for a 9mm Parabellum gun, but a fast thinking gun shop employee caught it in time.

That raises the question, "just how many 9mm rounds are there?"

A fuck-ton. A metric fuck-ton.

9mm Action Express
9mm Largo aka 9x23mm, 9mm Bergmann-Bayard, 9mm Bayard Long
9mm Browning Long
9mm Federal
9mm Glisinti
9mm Luger aka 9mm Parabellum, 9x19mm, 9x19mm NATO
9mm Mauser
9mm Steyr
9mm Ultra 
9mm Winchester Magnum 
9x17mm aka .380 Auto, 9mm Browning, 9mm Corto, 9mm Kurz, 9mm Short, and 9mm Browning Court
9x18mm Makarov
9x21mm
9x25 Dillion
9x56mm Mannlicher
9x57mm Mauser
9x57mmR Mauser
9x63mm
9x70mmR Mauser
9x71mm Peterlongo 

Normally I would say, "Check what's inscribed on your gun," but too often older guns just say 9mm on them.

Spanish guns in particular don't make a distinction between 9mm Largo, 9mm Parabellum and 9mm Browning Long.  They just say 9mm!

That means that if you're going to be buying old pistols, you need to do some research and find out what calibers it was chambered in and double check before buying ammo or going shooting.

It will save you money and could save your life.

But that's just 9mm.

There's a seemingly endless list of cartridges that don't have a real distinction between them except that they don't interchange and what model gun chambered them.

This leads to Uncle Robert on Mom's side eating Christmas dinner with us and Uncle Bob on Dad's side eating with us on Christmas Eve.  As far as the deer can tell, there's not a hair's breadth difference in terminal performance between .30-06 and .280 Remington.  I bought a rifle in .270 Winchester just to stoke the fires of that fight.

There's literally no difference downrange between .30 Remington and .30-30.  The difference is the case.  .30 Remington works in the semi-auto Model 8 and 81.

The deer likely wouldn't be able to tell if it was killed with either of those or .300 Savage.  Or .30-40 or .30-06 or .308 Winchester.

Jeff Cooper used to go after new rounds which duplicated the performance of existing rounds all the time.  He took the position that a bolt gun was a bolt gun and there's no need for new rounds in them that are identical in performance to the older round.

And that's not even the beginning of why there's so many rounds.

Everyone who sits down to make a new cartridge thinks they're breaking new ground or finding an improvement over something that exists.

Don't worry about it.

Buy what you like, make sure you can identify and find the ammo for it.  Go shooting and have fun!

Ideally, you will not need to know about more than five or six cartridges.

Me?  I love to play with all sorts of actions and designs.  That leads to a plethora of different cartridges here in many different kinds of gun.

I have a sorting system and I use it.

I learned the hard way that a box marked .30 Government can mean .30-40 AND .30-06.  Happily, I knew someone with a Krag who was perfectly willing to trade round for round.

Oh, none of this touches on the rounds which can be fired from the same gun despite being different cartridges; like .38 Special and .357 Magnum (and others).

8 comments:

  1. I'd guess that the control of patents was involved. The original producers probably hoped that their super kah-zoomy pistol would make their also-ran, but patented, cartridge design very popular. That would create a life-long gravey train. Now it is just a Royal Pain.

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  2. Ah, yes, caliber and cartridge wars. The wars go on, and there are literally hundreds or more abandoned and/or neglected calibers/cartridges out there. And that's not even including the various loads and bullets for even 'normal' caliber/cartridges.

    (pulls tin-foil hat out of drawer and places on head) Now, I wonder how much of the caliber/cartridge/powder load/bullet combinations and chamberings are due to gun-writers trying to justify their pay, or gun manufacturers trying to be exclusive? Or a combo of both, gun-writers in the pocket of gun manufacturers or vise-versa. Secret Gun-Illuminati evil cabalistic Free Masonistic mumbo jumbo.

    Or stupid countries thinking "Hey, build a proprietary round and nobody will be able to use our own stuff against us!"

    Weird to think that Walmart might have done a great service in standardizing calibers amongst many people. As in, why bother to buy weird calibers at great expense when you can get it cheap at Walmart. Selection by cheapskate, so to speak. (of course, Walmart is part of the whole cabalistic illuminati secret squirrel stuff.)

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    1. Many military rounds are precisely so that the enemy cannot use their own supplies against them.

      Finland standardized on 7.62x39 so as to be able to use captured Soviet supplies.

      Commercial rounds are mostly a "this is slightly better than the parent round" game.

      The exact attribute which is better might not actually matter though.

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  3. I've only shot a couple of those, and the 9 x 25 Dillon was easily the most memorable.

    10mm Auto case necked down to 9mm, stoked with a LOT of powder behind a 95 grain FMJ doing 2000 fps out of an IPSC competition gun. There was so much gas that the compensator seemed to push the muzzle of the gun DOWN in recoil.

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  4. Hunting deer with my uncle and cousins in the early 1980's I had brought back rifles and handguns from Then West Germany (bought in the Rod and Gun clubs). I was talking up My 7mm magnum and my Uncle told me that the deer won't know the difference. Of course everybody got a good laugh.

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  5. The plethora of 9mm rounds has never caused me issue. But jeebus, does the .38 caliber as fired through revolvers give me headaches.

    Especially when old guys come in needing "regular thuddy ate"

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    1. I would assume they mean .38 Spl vs .357 Mag. You would probably just be confusing them if you handed them a box of .38 S&W, .38 Colt, etc. I mainly only know about a lot of those because I have revolvers that shoot those that are definitely not safe to shoot commercial .38 Spl in, even if you could get it into the cylinder, which in many cases you couldn't. The other direction, I think .38 S&W or .38 Colt would probably be safe, if under powered in most .38 Spl revolvers.

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  6. Some of the rounds you list, like 9x21, exist as 'civilian' loads, in countries where people are allowed to have "non-military" firearms.

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