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MN Steel is a holocaust denier.
We don't cotton to that here.
He had a long winded, familiar, denial screed that I deleted. He won't be commenting here anymore.
Here's one for you.
I've been to Oświęcim. That took a lot of extra effort because it was 1989 and I was a soldier.
The Poles left Auschwitz-Berkenau almost as the National Socialists left it.
It's fucking real!
In 1989, when a Warsaw Pact nation had every reason in the world to disagree with NATO and the histories that the First World published... The Second World's histories agree.
That alone proves the assertion that it happened.
It's not the only evidence, which is in abundance... Not least of which is period footage from Germans. And all of the Allies made sure to document what they found.
Deniers seem to forget that thousands of Allied soldiers saw the camps and the victims. Allies from both sides of the coming Iron Curtain.
I guess The Earth could be flat too. Completely believable if you're a moron.
Had an 8th Grade math teacher, old, grumbly guy. This was back in the late 70's when the first big round of Holocaust deniers came about.
ReplyDeleteKid in class sparked up denial.
Next day teacher showed us his private slide collection. Seems he was one of those combat photographers that was assigned to photograph the Camps.
It was... horrible, frightening, awful, nasty, and probably the best thing that ever happened to most of those kids, including me.
Some people also deny the Killing Fields of Cambodia... And the generational murders of whole families in North Korea. And the Homodor. And the deaths that Mao caused. And some people still think Che! was just a cool guy.
Some people are just fucking stupid.
Me? I've seen people with tattoos on their arms. And talked to them.
Also seen a survivor of a Japanese torture camp. Knew him when he was Bishop of Micronesia. Impressive collection of scars on his back.
The world sucks. Yet we strive to make it better.
You do an excellent job with that.
10 years or so ago I ran into the deniers crap. I read it and was WTF? how do you go about proving to these sorts of people there reality of what happened?
ReplyDeleteThe answer was easy to find. A group that had gone through and debunked every claim.
The two things stood out to me. There first was that the debunkers had external links for every statement of fact they made and links to the denier's material. That some wild have convinced me.
The second was one of the claims of the deniers and how it was debunked. Claim was that the showers were just delousing stations. There proof was an analysis of a piece of rubble taken from the showers by visitor stealing it. When the site organization heard about this they responded: of course the piece of rubble you took had low cyanide levels, it had been exposed to the weather for 40 years. If you want to do that test, apply and we'll grant you permission to take and test a piece that had been protected from the weather.
There deniers never mentioned that offer. When they were called out about it, their response was: you can't trust them, they're part of the conspiracy.
When I was a kid back in the early sixties we had a large book at home that I wasn't allowed to look at. So naturally I did when no one was around. The whole thing was just captioned photos of WWII atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis and Japanese. It was horrifying. I remember having nightmares about it for a long time. I don't know what ever happened to it. It disappeared after my parents found out that that I looked at it. Never saw it again after that and to this day I would not look at it again if it was still around........
ReplyDeleteIt's all been said before, so all I can do is look for a good phrasing. The best I found is this.
ReplyDeleteHey Angus;
ReplyDeleteI saw the camp at Dachau, granted it wasn't the same one as Auscwitz, it still was part of that network and I remember my impressions of that camp and anybody that denies it I can't fathom it. But that is the modern education system, it is an inconvenient truth to their illusion.
Grandpa McKinely fought from France all the way across the Rhine. He liberated a smaller work camp. And until his death he cursed the Germans as evil.
ReplyDeleteMy late father-in-law was one of the liberators of the camp at Matthausen. That shit was real.
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