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I am very curious.
Except for COVID, what other disease still worries you once you're vaccinated?
I was vaccinated and exposed to measles. We didn't worry because I'd been vaccinated.
Mumps, same deal.
Polio.
Smallpox.
Diphtheria.
Pertussis.
Rubella.
Hepatitis A and B.
Even black plague.
Not one of them came with a "be sure to avoid people who haven't been immunized or are sick with the disease," like COVID does.
I see the hard sell, but the headline keeps recurring, "died from COVID despite being fully vaccinated."
Show me the headline, "died of smallpox despite being fully vaccinated."
Since the definition of "vaccine" changed a short time ago, well... :-) But were I to apply the pre-2021 def, I would say that for it to be one it would render you immune to the disease and incapable of transmitting it to others. As these are no true, well the conclusions are ones that cannot be mentioned publically apparently.
ReplyDeleteThough, Devil's advocate, I remember getting vaccinated a second time for some things while in/deployed as there was concern that some of them had lost effectiveness... Smallpox I think was the one that stuck out in my mind... But that was the US Army, and they're probably not the best trusted source for medical information...
You still have to get occasional revaccines against Typhus, Diphtheria, Cholera and some others. Unless you are travelling into a disease-ridden cesspool, like Africa or SE Asia (or LA, or SF) it's not recommended or required to update your vaccines. Going to disease-ridden cesspools? It used to be recommended to update, which the Military took and takes as 'must update.' Which used to be 'when leaving the contiguous United States.'
DeleteNo one gets re-vaccinated against smallpox. (Maybe prior to 1970 it happened, but never since then.)
DeleteSince it's been wiped out, no one even gets a first vax against it anymore.
Polio is headed that way too.
OTOH, you get boostered for diphtheria and pertussis any and every time you get a tetanus booster. (TDaP = tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis, i.e. whooping cough)
And cholera, yellow fever, etc. are always recommended after 10 years if you're deploying to any of 157 versions of Trashcanistan or Shitholia.
And the people who pioneered mRNA vaxxes almost universally said "don't get these shots" and "they should not be given to humans".
I'ma take that advice to heart.
If they switch annual flu vaccines (or any other shots) to an mRNA basis, I'm done with them too.
Currently, the quadrivalent vaccines vary between 90% effectiveness in a good year, to 5% effectiveness when they get it all wrong, depending on how well they guess next year's mutations. And that percentage should be multiplied times the 600 (on average) number of individual flu strains rampant and loose in the U.S. each year. Even when they have a 90% effective year, there are still 60-ish strains the shot won't help with at all.
Also, the conga line of 86 vaccines they now recommend before a child reaches majority is flatly recockulous, IMHO.
Note: Periodic updates of Typhoid, Cholera, Diphtheria. No periodic updates of the others unless you are in or going to an area that has a really bad problem with whatever other disease you are already vaccinated against, and even that if you are really old or in the military. There was supposed to be a difference between TCD and others. Sorry for the mixup.
DeleteAnd McThag is correct, you don't need new measles or mumps or chicken/small pox or the others if you're already vaccinated or have had the viruses/diseases and survived.
The mRNA "vaccines" aren't made like the vaccines for those other diseases you are talking about, even the other ones which are viral based and not bacterial. For whatever reason some viruses are hard to make good vaccines for. Like the Flu, the common cold... A lot of the variants of those two are similar to COVID-19. And that's part of the problem... there are dozens of variations of those like we've seen several variants of COVID. Flu vaccines are not much guarantee you won't get the Flu... just reduce your chances of getting the variants that they suspected would be common in the season.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, mRNA is a new and highly experimental thing. The vaccines were rushed to the market so fast that a lot of the testing, refinement, etc., didn't happen. It may or may not be a long term method for developing vaccines, or we will learn something and mRNA products will be better in the future. I wasn't comfortable with the science of mRNA, so I opted for Novavax which is closer to a traditional vaccine. I had to do a clinical trial to get it. Novavax was late to the party because it takes longer to develop.protein spike monoclonal synthesis vaccines so it was never widely available in the US. It's target market was mostly Asia. Anyway, even with the vaccine I still got Covid, albeit possibly not as bad as it could have been. And I don't know which variant I had, possibly one that came after the one Novavax was designed for.
Anyway, the US Army is part of the US Government... and one thing we learned through the whole pandemic craziness is you can't really trust much of anything the government says. Well, it reminded a lot of us how much that was true.
before covid getting a vax meant you didn't get whatever it was you took the vax for... covid had to be the largest medical experiment in history... the one world gov wants to thin the herd and will do anything to accomplish the mission...I honestly believe in our lifetime we will all have to choose a hill to die on our give in to the game...panzer guy
ReplyDeletePut another way, those other vaccines you mention share one big difference from the Covid vaccines: they aren't mRNA vaccines.
ReplyDeleteWhen these were coming out there were some "evil conspiracy theorists" that claimed there had never been a successful mRNA vaccine in history, and specifically mentioned some disease chickens got and how the industry got hammered by the bad results of the vaccine.
Maybe what we're seeing is there still has never been a successful mRNA vaccine. If your definition of successful is "prevents getting and transmitting a disease" and not "sells vaccines."
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