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Now that I've tasted the sweet nectar of the S&W 59, I am reminded that I don't have a pistol caliber carbine of any kind.
That leads to contemplation of the Marlin Camp Carbine.
This path leads to madness. Those things are as expensive as crack!
The sad truth is the the pistol caliber carbine I really want is an old 9mm CAR-15.
The Marlin is absolutely affordable by comparison. Especially when you factor in that the SBR version of that CAR-15 is the one I want...
The 9mm AR doesn't even take any magazine I currently have.
The Marlin would use the S&W 59 mags.
A Kel-Tec SUB-2000 comes in a couple flavors of magazine I already have.
There's AR's what take Glock mags, but... I think they look silly.
Which brings us to the king of silly looking PCC, the Ruger PCC.
And at the end of the day, you have what amounts to a huge pistol.
There's a fine line between here and insanity.
I always wanted a Ruger .44 mag carbine. Which harkens back to the old cowboy one-caliber for all setups of revolver and rifle shooting the same thing.
ReplyDeleteWell, if you want to get the king of butt-ugly, you could always do a KRISS. I think even Cthulhu would think those things are an affront to the eyes.
The KelTec's are a lot heavier than they look but they fold and they are pretty decent from what I can tell. The Marlin is pure old school sexy imo but hard to find and expensive. But yeah you have the 59's and the mags so....
ReplyDeleteIf you really want the CAR 15 and can afford it, and can find one seems that is the way to go. Or... you could build a newer replica version of it. Hell it's all stupid expensive these days. Problem with the 9mm carbines is you don't really get much except 3 points of contact, which is good. Maybe 200 fps more out of a 16 inch barrel. That's why I never went the 9mm carbine route. I didn't see the benefit over my standard pistols.
Good luck with your choice. Look forward to seeing what ya decide to do.
Marv has a 9mm SUB-2000 2nd gen. It takes M&P mags. It's mostly Mcarbo parts now. I don't like it at all. Not stock, not modified.
DeleteWillard has a couple of the Camp Carbines. His injury and COVID has kept us from getting to the range with them.
And don't forget about the vaporware product from PSA
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If it ever shows it's face I will have to get one I'm sure.
mech tec glock pistol conversion ? You already have some of thse and it uses the same magazines to begin with. A Glock 21 carbine sounds like a lot of fun.
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I recently built a couple AR-9s that use Glock mags. One with a 16" barrel and a CAR style stock and the other a pistol with a pistol buffer and a 8.3" barrel. The 16" upper I had on a normal AR15 lower using a mag block that used Colt style mags. I may put the mag block in another lower at some point but I'm not in a hurry to do it, lest it grow another upper. That's not impossible because 9mm barrels, stripped uppers and bolt carrier groups are readily available, whereas those parts for 5.56 or other calibers are hard to come by these days.
ReplyDeleteI also have one of those High Point carbines in .40 S&W. It isn't something I'd have ever bought except a friend was in dire straights and needed money so I did him a favor. Surprisingly as horrid and clunky as High Point's pistols are, the carbine doesn't stink as bad as I thought it would. It is a little crude and ugly but it does seem to work reliably. One bad thing compared to the Kel-Tecs, etc, is the single stack mags, which limits capacity.
One of those Marlins in .44 Mag would be kinda cool, but as noted, stupidly spendy these days. Years ago they were cheap on the used market, but alas, times change. So many things I passed on back in the day are now at unobtanium prices.
Ruger PC-9: Takes Glock mags with a 30-second mag well part swap (part is included in Ruger package as OEM) instead of using the (rare, spendy, and rather pointless) proprietary Ruger PC-9 mags.
ReplyDelete1/4 turn takedown.
Threaded muzzle for whatever.
Bolt pull handle can be moved to either side to accomodate preference, or left-handedness, in about 15 seconds.
With a red-dot sight, it's a tack driver out to 200Y. I did the same thing with the finest $39 Chinese glass Wallymart sells, and I can hit 10" silhouettes at 200Y offhand, all day long.
And if one already had a G17, 19, or 26, you've just simplified your magazine load.
If I lived in Free America, or just visit there once in awhile, I'd want to try it out with the big Glock sticks, one of those 50-rd Glock drums.
Just to give Di Fi and Speaker Alzheimers the heebie jeebies.
I can also see where if someone with weaponized autism and a 3D printer were so inclined, they could design and make a mag-well swap just like the Glock drop-in block the PC-9 comes with that would accommodate the SW mags (39 or 59). And if they were really business-minded, they might do the same thing for BHP, Beretta, and SIG mags. I'm kind of surprised no one has elected to do that already, but I'm not an engineer, and couldn't tell you how many you'd have to sell at what price and profit to break even. But the opportunity is there, at any rate. It just wants some 3D pdfs.
It's not a rifle, but neither is a .30 carbine.
Something to toss behind the seat in a pick-up, or in the trunk? Why not.
Just a thought.
The day Ruger wakes up and makes one in .45ACP that takes 1911 and/or G21 mags, I'll sell my Marlin Camp 45 happily, and buy a dozen of the PC-45s.
Poor man's semi-auto Grease gun/Thompson, at that point.
I just hate how the Ruger looks is all. Not a rational objection, but real.
DeleteIt's the same objection I have for an AR that uses Glock mags.
The Glock mags in an AR do kind of come out at a funny angle, but I went that way for my 9mm ARs for practical reasons since I have a Glock 17 and a 80% Arms Spectre 940 which use the same mags.
DeleteThe Ruger PC family look to me kinda like a bloated 10/22. I can't say I hate them, but I can't really justify one at the prices I see.
I only have two Rugers, the Mini 14 that I've had for around 30 years and an old Security Six that I like.
I like the ruger pc-9. Looks like a plastic rifle. Is a takedown rifle. Uses Glock magazines.
ReplyDeleteSimple blowback operations. Gets dirty in the receiver but is fun to shoot. Size of the group at any range I shoot at is limited by my eye sight.
And you can mount optics if you want.
I have a ruger PC9 as well and I use Pro mag 32 round mags. I also have a Ruger SR9 as my truck carry. Same mags for both. I like both.
ReplyDeleteI have a PC9 and it uses Pro Mag 32 round mags. I also carry a Ruger SR9 and swap out the 17 found mags. I've found the PC9 ugly but very functional.
ReplyDeleteI'm waiting for the aftermarket Magpul stock to be available.
Sorry for the double post.
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